This is the first in a new feature on our blog, which I’m realizing as I type that we haven’t named. But whatever: it’s CHAT! Jen and I will get together once a week to talk about some topic on our minds, and then share it with you. We hope it’s just the start of a broader conversation.
This week: PINTEREST! Love it or loath it? Inspiration or desperation? Time-waster or under-ass-fire-lighter? Below, we wonder if some crafts are more like porn than creative acts, and if design boards are just thinspo-for-the-home.
We have two boards at Pinterest that illustrate our points below, one that focuses on what we like about Pinterest (where we see promise, things we may actually do) and what we dislike about Pinterest. I should note that Jen is a fairly avid Pinner, and I have dabbled but am overall unimpressed. We are not saying that Pinterest is pure awesome or pure evil, but that it’s a complex and interesting phenomenon that we find intriguing.
And now, the chat!
3:18 PM Jennifer: Hello!
3:19 PM Lauren: Hi! This is going to be funny because when people read this, our names will be Jen/Lauren and “me.”
3:20 PM Jennifer: We should probably fix that. You should know that while I am chatting, I am also feeding Margeaux overpriced squishy organic baby food.
Lauren: I do not know how to fix that. I am somewhat tech savvy. But not that tech savvy. Maybe when you save it changes the names?
That is the best kind of baby food.
3:21 PM Jennifer: I bet I could find recipes for homemade baby food on Pinterest.
Lauren: You could totally do that. We should try to do that right now.
Jennifer: But then it wouldn’t be in this awesome package that attaches directly to a spoon.
Lauren: No way, that sounds awesome.
3:23 PM Yes, I have not only found baby food recipes, but also a baby food jar chandelier, baby food jar cupcakes, and magnetic spice jars made out of baby food jars.
3:24 PM Jennifer: I should totally pin those. I’ll get to them right after I bake that 8 layer rainbow cake.
3:25 PM Or the baked oatmeal. Or the Key West grilled Chicken.
Lauren: That kind of brings together everything that is awful and awesome about Pinterest: something you might actually use, something no one should ever do/care about/use, and something to make you feel bad about the things you wish you’d do but never will.
Jennifer: I don’t even eat chicken, for the record.
3:26 PM Lauren: Ha!
Jennifer: I’ll be honest: I have never actually cooked a recipe I pinned on Pinterest.
3:27 PM Lauren: People swear by Pinterest as a way to find great recipes, but I don’t get how it’s any better than googling “black bean tacos” and reading the recipe.
3:28 PM Jennifer: I like the idea that all those recipes are there waiting for me, as though I had cut them out and stuck them in a folder.
3:29 PM For me, that’s the appeal beyond googling: the organization.
Lauren: Pinterest is full of possibility but it seems like there’s very little follow through. I’ve seen bloggers with “Pinterest challenges” where they vow to actually do projects they’ve pinned.
3:30 PM Jennifer: If we do that challenge I’m starting with Rolo cookies.
And I’m unpinning those elaborate bunk bed plans.
Lauren: I used Pinterest the most when I was decorating my daughters’ room and I pinned all this “inspiration”
3:31 PM But then the final product really didn’t resemble those pins, and in fact, juxtaposed, it looked kind of homely and embarrassing. That made me kind of hate Pinterest, because it’s a great room and was done on a budget.
But since every square inch of the walls weren’t covered in fanciful art, and I didn’t customize the knobs on the dressers, somehow it didn’t feel good enough.
3:32 PM Jennifer: I actually have intentionally stopped even browsing decoration inspiration my dream home type pins.
3:33 PM I realized looking at that stuff was making me depressed.
Perhaps because most of the people I follow are facebook friends from high school and once I started looking at those pins I became convinced they were all living in enormous beautiful houses and I hated them.
Lauren: I posted a few new boards to our account and tried to find some examples of the kinds of things I do like and don’t like about Pinterest, and under don’t like I posted a few images of people’s decorated LAUNDRY ROOMS and GARAGES.
3:34 PM (http://pinterest.com/mamanervosa/)
Jennifer: YES! I saw a bunch of those types of pins come across my account today.
Lauren: WTF? Am I crazy or is the garage supposed to be a stinky mess?
3:35 PM Where are our kids supposed to be dirty?
Where can we pile the sheets our 4yo just peed on?
3:36 PM Jennifer: In my garage right now: 2 turkey fryers Tyler uses for brewing beer, an ugly table from a garage sale, an old set of shelves with a jumble of gardening tools, 4 bikes, a tricycle, a big wheel, a cozy coupe… organize that Pinterest!
And spiders. at least a thousand spiders.
3:37 PM I was thinking that Pinterest fuels lookism. Morality = aesthetics.
The better you are as a person or a parent, the prettier the things are in your life. The better your crafts, the more elaborate your tooth fairy rituals.
3:38 PM The absence of any other images — anything simple, messy, or imperfect — implies it’s lack of worth.
Jennifer: Yes. Yes. Yes.
And yet: I keep going back for more.
Lauren: Have you heard about the whole Thinspo controversy at tumblr and now Pinterest?
3:39 PM Jennifer: No. Tell me more!
Lauren: So, Thinspo is short for “thinspiration”
Which means these are boards/images that girls and women use to inspire them to be thin.
It used to be called “pro-ana” aka pro-anorexia.
Jennifer: Oooohhhhhh….. pro-ana I know.
3:40 PM Lauren: So, tumblr and Pinterest have these Thinspo boards/circles popping up
Because they are visual-intensive social media sites. And girls are using these sites to fuel notions that being thin is something to aspire to, posting their stats, posting meals/diets and challenges to lose weight, etc.
3:41 PM And I’m thinking, isn’t everything on Pinterest, sorta, Thinspo for our entire lives? Isn’t the logic that if we are good enough/disciplined enough/organized enough, we can achieve perfection (even if it’s perfection in knitting)?
3:42 PM Jennifer: I just searched it on Pinterest. This is really disturbing.
Lauren: Yes. We will not link to evil, evil Thinspo.
Jennifer: Ok. I have to stop staring at those images.
Lauren: And people are upset about it, and I think that’s totally appropriate, but what I’m saying is, I’m not sure other aspects of Pinterest are that different (except it won’t destroy your bones or kill you if you try to make that paint chip art).
3:44 PM Jennifer: Right. Instead of beating myself up about being fat I’m beating myself up about not being the kind of mom who makes string art easter eggs and dips my kids feet in paint then makes footprint butterflies and frames them.
Is it really that different from images of housewives/mothers in the1950s/60s?
3:45 PM Jennifer: No. It’s the same oppressive bullshit. Just on an iPad. And we take Xanex to cope instead of Valium.
3:46 PM Lauren: I guess what bugs me is, blogs and Pinterest are supposed to be from real people. But increasingly, they do not match up with my lived experience.
As I was looking at Pinterest today, I was wondering what the difference is between looking there and looking at, say, a fashion magazine.
Are the images any more realistic than highly edited, styled, commercialized publications?
3:47 PM Jennifer: No.
3:49 PM And I think it’s easy to fall into the hate on Martha Stewart and the skinny girls trap. That’s not where I want to land either.
Lauren: It feels more insidious to me because there’s less psychic distance between me and that mommy blogger… she feels more real, so it feels like I should be able to achieve her level of contentment and organization.
Exactly. Like, I was doing a search on Pinterest for fashion for curvy girls, and all the pins were either 1. famous people in gowns or 2. not curvy girls!!
3:50 PM Oh, I misread your point
Yes — I want to avoid black and white, us vs them stuff.
3:51 PM Jennifer: Because it’s more complicated than that. I have occasionally made delicious food and done awesome art projects with my girls. (Not on the same day.) But if you could see my house right now? It’s appalling.
3:52 PM I feel like I go to social media craving authentic connection with other people.
I want to share something. And I look for myself in others, and all the things we do when we seek community.
3:53 PM But I don’t see myself on Pinterest. In a weird way, it just archives our collective cultural fantasies, or at least the fantasies of middle class ladies.
Jennifer: Yes. We all want that gorgeous outfit and that enormous kitchen and those clean shiny garages and entry ways.
3:54 PM But instead I am wearing shorts from Goodwill and there are Cheerios on the floor and my kitchen is so tiny I have to fold my chairs up after every meal.
And my laundry lives in a basket and my beds are never, ever made.
3:55 PM I guess no one aspires to that.
3:56 PM Jennifer: I make my bed sometimes. But yeah, I think we’re afraid to acknowledge that this is what our real lives look like because shame! Judgment!
Lauren: It’s weird because I think the fact that Pins are images really dehumanizes our lives. We never see children making the art, or people eating the food, right? We lose sight of the sort of visceral pleasures that things like creativity and togetherness are supposed to draw out.
Instead we focus on the aesthetic appeal or the product.
Jennifer: Oooooo….. that’s REALLY interesting to me.
Because yeah, the pleasure for me is in the doing.
3:57 PM But that’s completely absent.
Lauren: I get really frustrated with craft Pins because they seem way too focused on reproducing a perfect product, rather than the process.
Right? Especially with children: I mean, there’s no way my kids could recreate the perfect owl mobile or whatever.
The adorable children’s rooms are never in use, or the clothes aren’t on bodies.
It’s very commercial in that way.
3:59 PM Jennifer: I keep pinning outfits that I fantasize about wearing when I’m done nursing and my wardrobe doesn’t revolve around easy access to my breasts. But it’s been driving me crazy that there are no people in any of the fashion pins. How do I know if I can wear that?
Exactly. Show me that shirt on someone with actual boobs so I can see if it would be flattering and sexy (good) or lumpy/awkward (bad).
4:00 PM Jennifer: Also hips.
Lauren: But I guess that furthers the notion that these Pins aren’t really for people, they’re for our ideas about ourselves.
4:01 PM Jennifer: Right. And I’ve found that I enjoy imagining myself as a person who wears stylish clothes, does crafts with my kids, and cooks elaborate desserts.
Lauren: Certainly: I love the idea of a home with eclectic bookshelves and walls with neat art, both commercial and handmade.
I guess I wish people used Pinterest to say something like “Here’s how I…”
4:02 PM Like, here’s how I found jeans that fit.
Here’s how I used some leftover gift wrap with my kids.
Here’s how I… made leftover beans into something other than fucking burritos.
Helping Pins, not Judging Pins.
4:03 PM Jennifer: Here’s how I made a delicious cocktail with Juicy Juice and some odds and ends from my liquor cabinet.
4:04 PM Lauren: Right. With a real picture, not a staged, photoshopped image.
Jennifer: Here’s how I found a style of shirt that doesn’t make me look pregnant.
Lauren: I mean, couldn’t we use an entire board of that??
Lauren: I’m 5’1″ and curvy, these clothes work for me — etc.
Then maybe we could take delight in our actual lives.
4:05 PM Jennifer: Let’s call it Realspiration.
Or some other catchy spiration.
This is the whole point of counterpinning.
Lives as we live them, not as we wished they were.
4:06 PM Then maybe Pinterest could be less like Metropolitan Home and more like Shape of a Mother
Jennifer: Because it’s not that I want to wallow in the half chewed Cheerios. It’s just that the leap from where I am to the fairy garden treehouse bunk beds is too far.
Lauren: (Spo sounds so close to spooge to me. I have a hard time using it without giggling.)
4:07 PM Jennifer: HA!
Lauren: Right — babysteps.
Here’s what’s achievable!
You could really actually do it!
You could really actually paint a room green and buy some JC Penney bedspreads and make a room as cute as my kids’ room. Here are the real kids playing on the real bed.
4:08 PM Here is the reading nook where the book basket is perpetually full of play food and that’s ok!
4:09 PM Jennifer: Yes. Process, pleasure, play, possibility.
4:10 PM Lauren: They all begin with P so they should totally work at Pinterest.
Jennifer: Not owl mobile craft porn.
It is sort of pornographic.
In the way that porn objectifies pleasure.
Jennifer: In all the worst ways.
4:11 PM Lauren: I mean, some craft posts really do seem to make kids the objects, rather than the subjects, of joy/fun/whatever.
We sort of act out fantasies of good motherhood ON our kids with our aggressive leprechaun visits or whatever.
Jennifer: You will inevitably feel dissatisfied with your real life owl mobile partner!
4:12 PM Lauren: Your kids will inevitably not make the googly eyes perfectly centered on the die-cut circles!
Jennifer: The owl always ends up looking drunk and mangy.
4:13 PM Lauren: So you Pin owl crafts all night on the internet instead of doing owl crafts with your real kids.
Jennifer: But they loved using the glue stick, and isn’t that the point?
Lauren: Exactly. I mean, there doesn’t have to be a goal when you craft with kids. Sometimes I just put shit on the table and see what they come up with. Today we use scissors! Today it’s stickers!
4:14 PM Jennifer: Resolved: in the next week I will cook a food and do a craft from Pinterest and post pictures of the process.
I have a post about post-partum fashion tips in the waiting.
Jennifer: And I will do them with my kids, not alone at midnight so the owls turn out perfectly.
4:15 PM Lauren: Excellent. You should take some kind of staged shot with the clock just to prove it ;).
Jennifer: I need those fashion tips!
Lauren: They mostly involve MacGyvering breast pads.
4:16 PM Okay. You should go get your darling daughters, right? I feel like we’ve definitely got something here.
Also, Margeaux just pooped.
Lauren: Yes. This is a good time to get my real children and make them campbell’s bean and bacon soup for dinner, w hich is their (disgusting) favorite.
4:17 PM Jennifer: Drive safe.
Lauren: I will figure out how to post this and I’ll put it up tomorrow.
Let your post breathe :).
Jennifer: Awesome. You’re the most awesomest co-blogger ever.
4:18 PM Lauren: You are the awesomest blogging soulmate in history!
Jennifer: High five!
Lauren: Top Gun Windmill
Clearly, our jury is out on Pinterest: there’s promise and concern – legit, we think — here. I (Lauren) left the chat with a greater appreciation for the promise of Pinterest and ways it could function differently than it does now: for example, sharing more process-oriented images, and finding more awesome art. If you’re interested in contributing to these “counterpins” — pins that focus on doable projects; real visions of women, bodies, homes; and the creative process, follow us at Pinterest or drop us an email and we’ll add you as a collaborator.
lauren(at)mamanervosa(dot)com or jen(at)mamanervosa(dot)com
Jen promises to do some process posts this week!
Here are other recent commentaries on Pinterest:
New Domesticity tackles all these issues and more, although she hasn’t covered Pinterest specifically (yet!).
And we got the idea for a weekly chat straight from Tiger Beatdown.
So, what do you think about Pinterest? We’re interested in the diverse experiences, uses, and views of Pinterest and we’d love to hear your thoughts, here or on any of our boards at Pinterest.